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Janell and Aaron Lane, Co-founders of Courageous Healing and Courageous Living join Shellie and Matt to talk about Trauma Informed Ministry. The source of trauma and how it manifests in people is often misunderstood. Aaron and Janell will help you understand what trauma is and how to create a compassionate and caring community to welcome those who have been hurt.

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Your congregation is important. But we know that leading and serving in congregations is hard work. Join Matt Burke and other Center for Congregations consultants as they interview thought leaders and experts to encourage, inspire and help you find the right information and resources to address your congregation's needs. Center for Congregations staff will share what they're learning through our work with congregations. Speakers, authors and congregational practitioners will share their stories and best practices to help your congregation thrive.

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S8 E20: The Human in You

Janell and Aaron Lane, Co-founders of Courageous Healing and Courageous Living join Shellie and Matt to talk about Trauma Informed Ministry. The source of trauma...

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S8 E19: Your Specific Neighbor

Brett Meyer, CEO of Neighborlink, joins JC and Matt to talk about the impact of meeting the basic needs of those in your own neighborhood. Neighborlink is a national...

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S8 E18: Listening for The Gifts of The Other

Seminary Presidents Rev. Dr. David Mellott of Christian Theological Seminary and Rev. Dr. Andrew Pomerville of Louisville Presbyterian Theological Seminary join Elise...

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S8 E17: Homelessness Is Complicated

William Wubbenhorst, Non-Resident Scholar for the Institute for Studies of Religion (ISR) at Baylor University, joins JC and Matt to talk about the issue of...

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S8 E16: Five Cups of Coffee a Week

Dr. Josh Packard joins John and Matt to discuss Sacred Listening; a tool that can help your congregation develop deeper relationships and community. Dr. Packard's...

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S8 E15: The Place(s) Where It Happened

Pastor Dave Fox and Pastor Eric Lehman from The Bridge Community Church in Decatur, Indiana join Shellie and Matt to talk about the impact of pilgrimage on their...

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S8 E14: Junk Food vs. Whole Food

Dr. Elise Erikson Barrett, the President of the Center for Congregations, joins Shellie and Matt to talk about her past experience with organizations who work with...

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S8 E13: Seeing What's in Front of You

Will Mancini joins Shellie and Matt to talk about how congregations can best develop vision for their specific context. Will Mancini is a former pastor, author and...

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S8 E12: Unity And Loyalty Are Not The Same

Dr. Kilen Gray joins JC and Matt to talk about conflict in congregations. Dr. Gray believes that, far from being a negative, conflict is actually something that can...

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S8 E11: Your Facility Tells Who You Are

Nathan Parr, Facility Stewardship Specialist at Smart Church Solutions, joins JC and Matt to talk about the importance and prioritization of facility maintenance....

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S8 E10: Vitality: From Swamps to Reservoirs to Canals

Rev. Dr. F. Douglas Powe Jr., joins Kara and John to discuss how relational and resource connections can lead to vital congregations and communities. The conversation...

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S8 E9: Signs of Burnout

Patrick Riecke joins Miriam and Matt to discuss burnout. Patrick shares from his personal experiences and public studies to shine a light on this under-discussed issue...

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S8 E8: Reimagining Vitality: Ministry to Older Adults

Rev. Dr. Richard Gentzler joins Shellie and Matt to talk about ministry for and with aging adults. Dr. Gentzler has been focusing on and working with congregations...

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S8 E7: At The Center of Your Community

Dr. Courtnye Lloyd joins John and Matt to share from her education and experience about how congregations can make collaboration and community happen. Resources ...

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S8 E6: We Answer Your Questions

Join the Center for Congregations staff as we introduce a new host and answer your questions. Send us questions you'd like us to answer at ...

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S8 E5: The Gift of Capital Campaigns

Rob Henson of Solheim Stewardship joins Kara and Matt to share how capital campaigns are much more than just fundraising. Henson maintains that the work of a campaign...

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S8 E4: The Ethics of Using AI

Rev. Dr. Virgil Woods joins JC and Matt to discuss the use of AI (artificial intelligence) in congregational life. Dr. Woods is a pastor, author and tech consultant...

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S8 E3: Those in Your Care

Erin Hill from the Center for Church and Community Impact joins JC and Matt to talk about their work and how congregations are caring for their communities. ...

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S8 E2: Defining and Rediscovering Community

Charles Vogl joins John and Matt to talk about his book The Art of Community . He defines community and we discuss how it plays out in congregations. Resources ...

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S8 E1: Get in the Room

Lisa Inks, Senior Director of Urban Rural Action, joins Shellie and Matt to talk about their work of healing polarization and divided culture. Lisa shares the origins...

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S7 E22: Past, Present, Future 2025 Edition

President of the Center for Congregations Rev. Dr. Tim Shapiro joins JC and Matt to talk about what the Center for congregations has been learning through the past,...

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S7 E21: Congregations With Community

Congregations with Community (CWC) Senior Director McKenzie Scott Lewis joins JC and Matt to talk about the work of CWC and what they're learning about congregation...

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S7 E20: Telling Stories

Center for Congregations staff Kara Faris, Shellie Riggs Jordan and Matt Burke gather to talk about what the Center for Congregations is learning in 2025. They share...

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S7 E19: Ages and Stages - Respecting All Generations

Rev. Dr. Darrell Hall of The Way Community Church joins John and Matt to talk about doing the hard work of understanding other generations and how it is related to...

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S7 E18: Marketing for Good

The Center for Congregations' own Christos Reid, Communications and Marketing Strategist, joins Shellie and Matt to talk about marketing and communications for...

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S7 E17: Rediscovering Discipleship

Dr. Robert Mansfield joins JC and Matt to talk about discipleship and the importance of your congregation's context in faith formation. Dr. Mansfield believes that...

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S7 E16: Young Adult Ministry - Empathy in Transition

Dr. Steven Argue, Associate Professor of Youth, Family, and Culture at Fuller Theological Seminary, talks with Shellie and Dr. Bridges about meeting young adults where...

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S7 E15: Finance Supports Strategy

Belinda King, MBA and Financial Services Professional joins Dr. Bridges and Matt to discuss the importance of a good understanding of finance in congregations. Her...

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S7 E14: Grace for All: Trauma Informed Care for Children

Dr. Robert Crosby joins JC and Matt to talk about how to identify trauma in children and how to create a supportive children's ministry to develop emotionally healthy...

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S7 E13: Story, Spirit and Science

Zach Garcia, Indiana Outreach Director for Faith in Place, joins Kara and Matt to talk about creation care. Zach believes that congregations can be a powerful force in...

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S7 E12: Faithful Through Change

Rev. Dr. Tod Bolsinger joins Kara and Matt to talk about adaptive leadership. Tod believes that congregational leaders can learn to engage in change practices that...

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S7 E11: No Congregation Is An Island

Dr. Jennifer McClure Haraway joins Shellie and Matt to talk about congregational collaboration. Dr. Haraway's new book, No Congregation is an Island , gives insights...

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S7 E10: Failure Is Totally An Option

Rev. Dr. J.R. Briggs joins John and Matt to talk about failure. Rev. Dr. Briggs believes that failure is not the end but rather can be a beautiful new beginning. ...

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S7 E9: It's the Little Things

Center for Congregations staffers Kara Faris, John James, Dr. Terrance Bridges and Matt Burke get together to talk about their work with congregations, the trends...

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S7 E8: Bivocational Ministry Is Not New

Rev. Dr. Kristen Bentley joins Kara and Shellie to talk about her research regarding bivocational ministry. Contrary to common understanding, it has been quite common...

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S7 E7: How to Grow Leaders

Rev. Dr. Aaron Perry joins JC and Matt to talk about his new book Lay Leadership: For the Care of Souls . Aaron shares from his experience in congregational...

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S7 E6: Where Two or More Are Gathered . . . You Have Conflict

Laurie Stewart, CEO of Peacemaker Ministries, joins Matt and John to discuss the origins of conflict and how to handle conflict. Resources Peacemaker Ministries...

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Money and Ministry E5: Rev. Dr Marlene Fuller

In this conversation, Reverend Dr. Marlene Fuller shares her journey as a multi-vocational pastor and the financial challenges that come with it. She emphasizes the...

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S7 E5: Connecting with Young Adults

Kelly Minas, Director of the Lilly Endowment Young Adult Initiative, joins Matt and Shellie to talk about the S.T.A.R. (stories, tools, and resources) for Young...

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Money and Ministry E4: Reverend Michelle Brown

In this episode of the Money in Ministry podcast, Reverend Michelle Brown shares her personal journey with finances in ministry, discussing the challenges she faced,...

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S7 E4: Wholeness Through Co-Vocational Ministry

Rev. Mike Snyder joins Shellie and Matt to talk about co-vocational ministry and how it has created a wholeness both for his life and for the life of his congregation....

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Money and Ministry E3: Ramon Rivera

In this episode of the Money in Ministry podcast, Ramon Rivera shares his inspiring journey of faith, challenges, and the miracles he experienced while planting...

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S7 E3: Learning to Communicate Creatively

Rev. Dr. Rickey McCray, senior pastor of The Way Church in Indianapolis, joins Kara and Matt to discuss how communicating creatively, and through creativity, can help...

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Money and Ministry E2: Jason Roberts

In this conversation, Pastor Jason Roberts discusses the challenges and opportunities of talking about money within church communities. He emphasizes the importance of...

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S7 E2: Young Adult Engagement: Listen First

Rev. Dr. Jeff Keuss and Rev. Martin Jimenez, M.Div. join John and Matt to talk about their work and research around young adult engagement in congregations. They share...

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Money and Ministry E1: Father Dave

In this conversation, Father Dave Harris shares his experiences navigating the financial challenges faced by pastoral leaders. He discusses the impact of financial...

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S7 E1: Economic Challenges Facing Pastoral Leaders

Elise Barrett and Bere Gil Soto from the Center for Congregations' Economic Challenges Facing Pastoral Leaders program join Matt and Kelly to talk about their work and...

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S6 E23: Congregations Past, Present and Future

Join Center for Congregations staffers Kara Faris, Dr. Terrance Bridges, Dr. JC Campbell and Matt Burke as they discuss the changes in congregations over the last six...

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S6 E22: Money as Part of the Whole Self

Rosario and Callie Picardo join JC and Matt to talk about their new book Healthy Money. Their fascinating hypothesis is that our thoughts and attitudes towards...

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S6 E21: More Than Tips and Tricks

Rev. Ethan Linder, Discipleship Pastor from College Wesleyan Church in Marion Indiana, joins JC and Matt to talk about discipleship and the process they've developed....

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S6 E20: Partnerships Are Powerful

Rev. Dr. Que English, Director of the Center for Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships at the U.S. Department and Health and Human Services, joins Shellie and Matt...

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S6 E19: Educating Is An Art

Propaganda joins JC and Matt to talk about how to make complex topics easier for your audience to understand. Propaganda is a rapper, spoken word artist, author,...

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S6 E18: 100 Episodes!

Center for Congregations staffers Rev. Shellie Riggs Jordan, Dr. JC Campbell, Dr. Terrance Bridges, Matt Burke and John James gather to talk about what they're hearing...

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S6 E17: The Power to Form and Transform

Dr. Christina Davis and Rev. Dr. Tim Shapiro join Dr. Bridges and Matt to talk about their new book The Formative Power of Your Congregation. We discuss the...

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S6 E16: Is Your Congregation Healthy?

Melanie Preston joins JC and Matt to share her understanding of how congregations can be healthy organizations. The conversation includes how to define organizational...

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S6 E15: Beyond Dollars: Framing Generosity

Dr. Carlos Perkins, Associate Director of Engagement for the Lake Institute on Faith Faith and Giving joins Dr. Terrance Bridges and Matt Burke to discuss generosity....

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S6 E14: When Crisis Strikes: Congregations Leading Community Aid

Dr. William Cooke, MD. was practicing in a small rural community when a health crisis broke out. He joins Abby and Matt to talk about how various community...

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S6 E13: Make Social Media Social!

Digital marketing consultant Tim Campbell-Smith and digital marketing trainer Kaeli Sweigard join Shellie and Matt to talk about social media and congregations. This...

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S6 E12: Reframing Fundraising

Rev. Dr. Quincy McGhee, Senior Pastor of Lifeway Bible Fellowship and Grants Administrator for Associated Churches of Allen County, joins Abby and Matt to talk about...

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S6 E11: Congregations Are Doing Good and Doing Well

Join Center for Congregations staff Dr. JC Campbell, Dr. Terrance Bridges, Rev. Shellie Riggs Jordan and Matt Burke as they discuss their work with congregations and...

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S6 E10: Faith and The Arts Belong Together

Rev. Lisa Cole Smith, Founding Pastor and Artistic Director of Convergence Church in Alexandria, Virginia, joins JC and Matt to talk about how her congregation weaves...

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S6 E9: What We Can All Learn from Thriving Rural Congregations

Rev. Brad Thie, Director of Duke Divinity School's Thriving Rural Communities Initiative, joins Abby and Matt to talk about his work with congregations in rural North...

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S6 E8: The Role of Artificial Intelligence in Your Congregation

Whether we're prepared or not, Artificial Intelligence is now a part of our every day lives and our future. Jason Moore of Midnight Oil Productions joins Shellie Riggs...

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S6 E7: Kids These Days

Lenmarie Pascall, Director of Coaching at Urban Youth Workers Institute, joins Shellie Riggs Jordan and Matt Burke of the Center for Congregations for an insightful...

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S6 E6: Congregations in a Time of Transition

"Every congregation is unique" — it’s not a cliché, it is true. Rev. Tim Lake, pastor of Union Missionary Baptist Church in Fort Wayne, and Rev. Raymond Dix Jr.,...

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S6 E5: Caring for Your Congregation's Building

Nathan Parr, Facilities Stewardship Specialist with Smart Church Solutions, joins Dr. Terrance Bridges and Matt Burke of the Center for Congregations to discuss the...

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S6 E4: Valuing Roots over ROI — Navigating Change in Congregations

National speaker, advocate and emcee, Rev. Julian DeShazier, joins JC Campbell and Matt Burke from the Center for Congregations to discuss how congregations can better...

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S6 E3: Mental Health Is a Team Sport

Rev. Jermine Alberty joins Abby Miller and Matt Burke from the Center for Congregations to share about his experiences as a pastor and Mental Health First Aid trainer....

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S6 E2: Congregations Can Help with Suicide Prevention

Please note: this episode contains conversation related to suicide. Feel free to pause or stop listening if you need to and seek personal support of a friend or loved...

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S6 E1: Breathe New Life: Finding Rhythms of Rest

As the year begins, allow yourself and your team the power to take hold of your pace and passion for work. Brenda Jank, Founder and CEO of Run Hard, Rest Well, joins...

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S5 E21: Young Adults: Which Ones Do You Mean?

Rev. Dr. Gabby Cudjoe Wilkes joins Abby and Matt to talk about how she envisions engagement with young adults. The conversation focuses on defining what one means by...

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S5 E20: Marketing: The Art of Knowing Your Audience

Tyler Harden, co-founder of Firm Foundations Marketing joins Shellie and Matt to talk about marketing and communications. He discusses the importance of understanding...

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S5 E19: Wholeness through Brokenness

Dr. Nii Addy talks with Shellie and Matt about how he came to his interest in neuroscience and mental health, how understanding neuroscience can benefit knowledge...

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S5 E18: The Liturgy of Politics

Kaitlyn Schiess, author, speaker, podcaster and doctoral student joins Matt and Abby to discuss her book The Liturgy of Politics. The conversation centers on the...

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S5 E17: There Has To Be A Better Way: Mental Health

The co-founders of Courageous Healing, Janell and Aaron Lane, join Abby and Matt to discuss mental health in congregations. The Lanes share how they developed an...

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S5 E16: Multivocational Ministry Can Be Healthy

Dr. Jessica Brown joins Shellie and Matt to discuss the challenges of multivocational ministry: both those in clergy roles and those in volunteer roles who also work....

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S5 E15: Understanding Generational Differences

Rev. Dr. Marcus Carlson joins McKenzie and Matt to talk about generational differences. Generational differences are inevitable but navigating them well can support...

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S5 E14: Focusing on Health, Not Size

Shellie and Matt are joined by Dale Sellers, author of Stalled and Executive Director of the 95Network. Dale discusses misconceptions about smaller congregations and...

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S5 E13: Becoming Culturally Intelligent

Dr. David Livermore, author and speaker on cultural intelligence, talks with Tim Shapiro and Matt Burke about how being curious about culture aids the mission of...

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S5 E12: So What Have We Learned?

Shellie, McKenzie and Matt reflect on the topics and guests from the first half of 2023 and what we've learned. This is a mid-season break and we'll be back with new...

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S5 E11: It Takes a Village: Foster Care and Adoption

Michelle Jackson, foster care advocate for Josiah White's, joins McKenzie and Matt to share how congregations can support kids and families involved in foster care and...

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S5 E10: Telephone Poles Passing by the Window

Rev. Greg Pimlott joins Shellie and Matt to talk about leader self-care, renewal leaves and raising funding. He shares from his 2019 experience of creating a...

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S5 E9: Hybrid Congregations: You Can Be in Two Places at Once

Author and speaker Jason Moore joins McKenzie and Matt to talk about how congregations can serve both in-person and online communities well. Jason shares extremely...

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S5 E8: Laughing Our Way to Perfect Humanity

Dr. Jason Deuman joins Shellie and Matt to share how humor became a big part of his life and how he believes it provides us with the ability to better understand our...

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S5 E7: The Weight of Grief and Loss

Patrick Riecke joins McKenzie and Matt to talk about how the increased number of deaths in the past few years have taken a toll, especially on clergy and chaplains....

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S5 E6: Ministering to the Whole Person

Dr. Jessica Brown joins Shellie and Matt to talk about the trends of mental health in congregations. She also shares from her background and expertise how...

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S5 E5: Bringing Good Things to Digital Spaces

McKenzie and Matt talk with Tim Campbell-Smith about social and digital media and congregations. Tim has some great tips on very specific aspects of social media...

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S5 E4: You Are Welcome Here

Shellie and Matt talk with Dr. Winterbourne Harrison-Jones, senior pastor of Witherspoon Presbyterian Church. Dr. Harrison-Jones has long been interested in how to...

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S5 E3: Am I Allowed to Come In?

Marketer and Millennial Kaeli Sweigard joins Ben and Matt to talk about her journey into congregational life. Topics include what congregations need to know about how...

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S5 E2: What Do YOU Mean by Community Ministry?

Aimee Laramore joins Ben and Matt to talk about community ministry. Topics include the nature of what the different definitions of congregation and community are,...

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S5 E1: Conversations about Race are Hard

The hosts of the Shades of Hope podcast, Pastor Jeff Krajewski and Rev. Dr. Clarence Moore join Ben and Matt to candidly discuss racial justice in congregations and in...

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S4 E23: Ghosts of Congregations Past, Present and Future 2022 Edition

President of the Center for Congregations Tim Shapiro joins Ben and Matt to discuss what the Center for Congregations has seen in regards to trends, happenings and...

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S4 E22: Building Relationships: What We Can Learn from Congolese Christians

Ben and Matt spoke with Emmanuel about the ways that the Congolese Christian community is learning to adapt to life in Indiana. As they unpacked both the challenges...

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S4 E21: The Next Faithful Step: Discernment in Congregational Life

Understanding how to determine your next faithful step is critically important in congregational life. Center for Congregations president Tim Shapiro and Rev. Stephen...

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S4 E20: Cultivating the Edges: Belonging and Racial Equity in White Congregations

Rev. Dr. Seth Richardson of Gravity Leadership joins the podcast this week to discuss the cultural challenges white congregations face when they get serious about...

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S4 E19: Keeping it Beta: Innovation and Congregations

Congregations are a treasure of rich traditions: cultural, communal, historical and theological. But how do you keep tradition from turning into stagnation? This week...

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S4 E18: Clergy Are People Too: No, Really.

In this episode of the Center for Congregations podcast, Marty Sawyers of the Full Strength Network and John Opalewski of Converge Coaching share their experience and...

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S4 E17: Be the Bridge: Spanning Cultural Gaps

As people of faith, we are often called to be cultural brokers within our communities by identifying gaps that exist, asking the right questions, and harnessing the...

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S4 E16: Invisible People: Multiculturalism in Your Community

Your community is likely more multicultural than you may realize. In this episode of the Center for Congregations podcast, we speak with Sandy Garcia of Amistad...

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S4 E15: Suffering in Silence: Addressing Mental Health

First, the bad news: mental health issues exist in your congregation. The good news is that there are a wealth of resources and people who can help and a myriad of...

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S4 E14: Are You Seeing What I'm Seeing?

You likely deal with some kind of diversity in your congregational life. Whether that be ethnic, cultural, generational or some other kind of diversity. Wilisha Scaife...

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S4 E13: More Than a Classroom: Reimagining Faith Formation and Discipleship

At the heart of every congregation is the desire to pass on the beliefs and practices of its tradition. This can be called lots of things: catechism, faith formation,...

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S4 E12: Stories > Stances

This episode provides the narratives of three members of the LGBTQ+ community focused on their lives in congregations. These stories highlight the highs and lows of...

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S4 E11: Beyond Feisty and Divisive: Caring for LGBTQ Youth

In congregations many have questions and concerns about LGBTQ+ issues. Regardless of your theological stance, it's important to know how to care for youth that may...

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S4 E10: Possibility-Lessons from Jazz

Dr. Kirk Byron Jones joins Matt and Ben to discuss what we can learn from jazz about beauty, creativity and liberation. Resources ...

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S4 E9: What's Right with Congregations

Former Center for Congregations staff members Nancy DeMott and Doug Hanner join Matt to share stories about their work at the Center. These stories highlight what...

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S4 E8: When Digital Ministry Is Not Plug-And-Play

Rev. Dr. Rosario Picardo joins Ben and Matt to discuss digital ministry in congregational life. Roz is the co-author of Fresh Expressions in a Digital Age. In this...

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S4 E7: Remembering Our History In Order To Heal

Ben and Matt talk with Rev. Sue Park-Hur about the challenges facing the Asian American and Pacific Islander (AAPI) community. They discuss the model-minority myth,...

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S4 E6: Navigating Grief and Lamentation

Matt and Ben talk with Chaplain Jon Swanson about what it means to explore they ways we manage loss and disappointment. Resources CRG-Strategic Leadership for...

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S4 E5: Moving Forward - Anti-racism in Congregational Life

Kelly and Ben talk with Professor Drew Hart about the scope of antiracism work in congregations since the racial unrest of 2020. Resources Trouble I've Seen:...

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S4 B4: Equal Justice Initiative Museum and Memorial

Ben and Abby explore Ben's visit to the Equal Justice Initiative Museum and Memorial in Montgomery, Alabama. Resources: https://museumandmemorial.eji.org/ ...

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S4 E4: Pandemic and Purpose

Matt and Shellie explore the changing nature of congregational life with Pastor Rob Dyer of Ministry Architects. Rob encourages congregations to explore the question...

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S4 B3: The Review-Facing Death: Learning from Kate Bowler

Abby and Ben reflect on several podcast interviews with Kate Bowler and explore what it means to face the gravity of life with grace and joy. Resources ...

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S4 E3: Is Race The Real Problem?

Racial division is a current topic in many arenas of life. However, Rev. Wallace Butts asks the question "Is race the real issue here?" Matt and Ben talk with Rev....

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S4 B2: The Review - Can I Get Your Number? Unpacking the Enneagram

Abby and Ben discuss The Paths Between Us and talk through the reasons they find the Enneagram both useful and fascinating. Resources: ...

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S4 E2: Providing Touch in a Touchless Time

Dee Dee (Deidre) Gray and Adrian Warren join Ben and Matt to talk about how congregations can improve their digital presence. Resources ...

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S4 B1: The Review - Learning from Mars Hill

In this fun bonus episode of the Center for Congregations Podcast, Ben and Abby discuss the podcast The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill and explore what we can learn from...

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S4 E1: 3 Big Questions

Kara Powell from Fuller Youth Institute joins Ben and Matt to discuss the new book 3 Big Questions That Change Every Teenager. Resources ...

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S3 E11: Ghosts

Riffing off of Charles Dickens' classic novel, Ben and Matt and Tim Shapiro, reflect on trends in the life of congregational ministry.

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S3 E10: Gloriously Out Of Place

Joe Johns and So Min Oo join Ben and Matt to discuss the relationship their congregations have built while celebrating their differences. Resources Access the...

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S3 E9: The Joys of Evaluation!

Kelly Minas, the Center for Congregations' Associate Director for Evaluation, joins Ben and Matt to discuss the importance of evaluation, metrics and analytics for...

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S3 E8: Forced Into The Water

Mike Palmer joins Ben and Matt to unpack emerging trends in education. They explore how these trends will affect religious education and congregational life moving...

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S3 E7: Memento Mori

Rev. Sabrina Gray joins Ben and Matt to discuss the importance of end of life planning, and talks through how leaders can initiate those conversations within their...

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S3 E6: Don't Be A Clergy Killer

Rev. Callie Smith and Dr. Rob Saler join Matt and Ben to discuss the Lilly Endowment Clergy Renewal Program. They unpack the importance of rest and renewal for both...

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S3 E5: Who Are You? Marketing and Branding for Congregations

Manuel Corazzari joins Matt and Ben to discuss marketing and branding for congregations including the importance of knowing your unique identity. Resources ...

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S3 E4: Make It Personal

Pastor Javier Mondragon joins Ben and Matt to discuss the challenges and benefits of leading a multicultural congregation. Resources: ...

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S3 E3: Worship as the Work of the People

David Gungor joins Ben and Matt to talk about how worship is more than just singing together. He also discusses how Good Shepherd New York is an integrated community...

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S3 E2: Never-ending worship: Where preparation and inspiration meet

Shellie and Ben speak with John Ray from Light of the World Christian Church about all that it takes to plan a successful worship service. They discuss music as a...

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S3 E1: Stay Ready: Preparing to Prepare

Ben sits down with Aimee Laramore and Louise Jackson to unpack the ins and outs of strategic planning. They take you into the mind of strategic planning consultants...

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S2 B2: Tips on Working with Tech Volunteers

Pastor John Stange joins Kate and Ben to explain the best practices for engaging with tech volunteers. Links: http://www.opensong.org/

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S2 E12: The Value of the Enneagram in Congregational Spaces

Enneargram writer, teacher and coach Leanette Pokuwaah joins Ben and Matt to talk about how the enneagram can be used well in congregational contexts. She also...

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S2 E11: The Marriage of Mental Health and Ministry

Dr. Christina Jones Davis, Clinical Professor of Pastoral Theology and Marriage and Family Therapy at Christian Theological Seminary (CTS), sits down with Ben and Matt...

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S2 E10: Storytelling that Changes the World

Musician, speaker and activist Propaganda joins Ben and Matt to discuss how storytelling is foundational to being human and to fostering change. They also also talk...

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S2 E9 Rural Congregations: A Story of Pain and Promise

Allen Stanton joins Ben and Matt to discuss the importance of congregations in rural communities. He highlights their work as anchor institutions while also addressing...

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S2 E8: Getting Schooled on Interim Ministry

Rev. Janae Pitts-Murdock, senior pastor of Light of the World Christian Church and former interim pastor, joins Ben and Matt to unpack what it takes to have a...

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S2 E7: A Primer on Racial Equity

McKenzie Scott Lewis, the northwest director of the Center for Congregations talks with Ben and Matt about the challenges and opportunities faced by congregations in...

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S2 B1: Basic Tech Infrastructure for Livestreaming

In this bonus episode Associate Director for Resources Kate White sits down with Pastor Bruce Colbert, Systems Consultant for Custom Sound Design, Bruce shares about...

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S2 E6: Fear and Anger: Christian Nationalism among Young Adults

PhD candidate Michael Rotolo joins Ben and Matt to unpack the research around Christian Nationalism as it relates to congregations and young adult engagement....

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S2 E5: Courting Justice

Ben and Matt connect with Pastor Bere Gil Soto, lead pastor of Iglesia Hermandad Cristiana, to talk about what it's like to lead a multi-cultural and multi-lingual...

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S2 E4: Bring Your Whole Self

Dr. Alma Zaragoza-Petty, one of the co-founders of the Prickly Pear Collective, joins Matt and Ben to discuss creating authentic community where everyone is encouraged...

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S2 E3: Tech: It's Not as Complicated as You Think

Pastor John Girton joins Ben and Matt to talk about excellence in online worship experiences using technology. We also discuss what's next for congregations and the...

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S2 E2 Waving the Banner for Youth Ministry

In this episode Ben and Matt are joined by Center for Congregations director Shellie Riggs Jordan as we interview Mark Oestreicher (a.k.a. Marko) of The Youth Cartel....

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S2 E1 Wisdom to Start Your New Year

Aimee Laramore, lead consultant at AlLyd Solutions, joins Ben and Matt to discuss the importance of recognizing the assets your congregation has and the importance of...

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S1 E8: What Went Right in 2020

Ben and Matt are joined by southwest director Wendy McCormick, northwest director McKenzie Scott Lewis and president of the Center for Congregations Tim Shapiro. Each...

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S1 E7 Exchanging Pews for Strollers

Victoria Sun Esparza joins Ben and Matt to talk about Human Centered Design and applying it in congregations. This process is a way for you to listen well to the needs...

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S1 E6 Agents of Unity

Bishop Grant joins Ben and Matt to discuss the importance of getting back to the basics of faith. He challenges faith leaders and congregations to remember to center...

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S1 E5 Whosoever

This week Ben and Tim Shapiro, president of the Center for congregations talk with Rev. Dr. Alton B. Pollard III from Louisville Presbyterian Seminary. Dr. Pollard...

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S1 E4: Kicked Off a Cliff

Pastor Gabby Cudjoe Wilkes of the Double Love Experience joins Matt, Ben and Wendy to discuss what she's observed about rapidly changing systems in congregational...

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S1 E3: Do we have to hide our pain?

Hillary McBride joins Ben and Matt to talk about how congregations can be places of healing for those dealing with mental health issues. We explore Hillary's own...

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S1 E2: Tapping into Experience with Tim Shapiro

This week Ben and Matt talk with the president of the Center for Congregations, Tim Shapiro. Tim shares his experiences as a senior pastor for 18 years and from his 18...

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S1 E1: Where have all the young people gone?

Matt and I sit down with Science Mike to discuss the problems and possibilities with engaging young adults. Congregations across religious and denominational lines are...

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Rewind: The Liturgy of Politics

Enjoy this episode that was originally launched in November of 2023. Kaitlyn Schiess, author, speaker, podcaster and doctoral student joins Matt and Abby to...

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S4 Mid-Season Break: A Look Back and A Look Ahead

In this short episode, Ben and Matt recap the guests and topics thus far and preview the rest of season 4. We'll be back in action with you all on August 10, 2022! ...

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